Evolving Navigation

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Evolving Navigation

Postby crinklystarfish » Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:07 am

Simplistically, it used to be a case of whacking the latest dedicated satnav unit into the cab, making sure you had something of a suitable mapset installed, and heading off.

As I'm sure most will be aware, times have changed and are changing. As manufacturers of dedicated satnavs scrabble to compete with the latest crop of iOS / Android-based stuff to eek out a bit more functionality, we see things like Garmin's Overlander appearing: https://buy.garmin.com/en-GB/GB/p/685257. This seems like an odd hybrid between a dedicated satnav and an app platform - not quite got my head round it yet.

I personally use an absolutely ancient dedicated satnav unit with an outdated mapset that is well past its best. Where the mapset doesn't cover, I've supplemented / replaced it with Maps.Me / OsmAnd on my Android phone and that's sort of worked OK most of the time. My major issue has been the phone overheating whilst running the sat receiver radio.

I was thinking of trying a dedicated bluetooth sat receiver like this: https://buy.garmin.com/en-GB/GB/p/645104 to improve accuracy and hopefully allow the phone to run cooler. I'm not sure if the latter aspiration is a realistic one, though.

What are people using and has anyone got any thoughts on the best way forward?

PS - I'll be buying an InReach fairly soon just as a comms device for emergencies / texting when out of cell network range but am not interested in using that (or similar) units for actual navigation.

Any thoughts?
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Re: Evolving Navigation

Postby Ivan C » Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:16 am

My current van set-up is a basic Garmin, with lifetime up-dates and Michelin maps, red for planning, yellow for more detail. Mrs Ivan uses a Michelin "routier" atlas , I can't get my head round an atlas as opposed to a sheet map. This set-up is of course best suited to France in particular and Western Europe in general.
For the truck I was thinking along the lines of co-pilot for trucks running on an old Dell laptop (with an ssd) and probably paper maps as well.
Not exactly cutting edge, but it has worked so far.
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Re: Evolving Navigation

Postby Rusape » Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:33 pm

We use a Garmin DEZL 770, with European maps and also T4A maps. Lifetime updates. can also load any compatible maps on SD card reader. Has camera input and a host of other features that make it worth having IMO.

Allows proper route paling on basecamp which can be uploaded to Dezl.

The 770 allows truck dimensions to be input, so you don't get routed via low bridges etc. If using truck based nav setting, it does reroute on major HGV useable roads only, so can be a bit of an issue off you want to navigate away from those. But it's easy enough to click-change the profile to "car" to be re routed.

Always also back up Satnav with proper paper maps, as the map can give a better overall perspective of where we actually are in the world.

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Re: Evolving Navigation

Postby bromleyxphil » Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:07 pm

I have a refurbished Dezl550 bought 4 years ago from e bay which is good as you can input vehicle dimensions and it has free updates. At the same time I also use an i pad with maps me or google maps on to show more of an overview of the area. The i pad can’t keep up with a moving vehicle unless you supplement the gps capability. I have a Garmin Glo fixed in the back of the truck which has been faultless. It gives a very accurate position that seems to be refreshed in real time.

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Re: Evolving Navigation

Postby Mark Hadley » Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:08 pm

I use my smartphone with OSM open street maps. It's a great combination. Much better than my expensive Garmin.

Yes, a paper map gives a different perspective, I'd always like to have one.

With good internet connection, Google adds significant different detail and satellite view. But don't rely on it because you won't always have the right internet connectivity.

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Re: Evolving Navigation

Postby NeilandPat » Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:08 pm

I have had several quite expensive devices over the years and to be frank, I have been disappointed with all of them .

About 7 years ago I purchased the cheapest truck sat nav on eBay. I paid about £30.00 for it.

It has a 7 inch screen, you can program your vehicles dimensions in it, you can Bluetooth your phone to it and it came with life time free updates for street / door number level for Europe.

You can also add your own data to it either by connecting it to a PC or inserting your data on an SD card. You can add gpx , kml , poi and many other types of files.

You can navigate by address or any format of coordinates

You can drag any OS map onto it also

It runs on Windows so is easy to do drag stuff onto it.

The screen is big, clear and user friendly

It's been brilliant. In 5 years of use it has never failed . It has fallen off the dashboard many times but just keeps going.

Before setting off to South America I put on my favourite anorak and joined a Facebook user group ( I couldn't believe it either, but there are actually several )

I asked if anyone had all the street level maps for all of South and Central America . Someone did.

They sent them to me. I dragged them on and it's been brilliant.

All my data is on the SD card so I have even bought a second one as a spare, which after 7 years is still in the box.

If I needed to use it I would simply transfer the SD card over to get it up and running.

I now would not buy another Garmin or similar. This has out performed and out lasted all my previous expensive ones.

For £30.00 I am very happy

This link is an example of it

[url] https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre ... 1921394193
[/url]

Love it

We plan our journeys on maps.me

Neil

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Re: Evolving Navigation

Postby crinklystarfish » Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:13 am

Rusape wrote:...If using truck based nav setting, it does reroute on major HGV useable roads only, so can be a bit of an issue off you want to navigate away from those. But it's easy enough to click-change the profile to "car" to be re routed...


Bang on! It's an issue with all 'dimension pre-set' units that I've been banging on about for years. If dimensions are typed in, the unit will indeed select routes that it holds dimension data for and will ignore much more pleasant / shorter / faster but perfectly passably routes, simply because the mapsets hold little dimension data for non-trunk roads. I suspect this anomaly is lost on a lot of people. From day one of ownership, I've completely ignored the 'truck' funcionality of my ancient Garmin and have only ever used the 'car' setting.

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Re: Evolving Navigation

Postby crinklystarfish » Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:19 am

Neil, that seems like a completely awesome possibility!

What format do the maps need to be in, in order for the unit to read them? I have some OS maps for the whole of the UK in .qct - do you know if these can be read?

In the eBay blurb, it says to unplug before starting the truck and then plug back in - presumably to avoid voltage spikes. Do you do this?

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Re: Evolving Navigation

Postby NeilandPat » Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:44 am

Hi Steve

I can't tell at the moment, the trucks in Colombia and I am in Iguazu, Brazil.

I will check when I get back.

The two brands are Nozatec and xgody
May be a bit of googling on these names could help

As for unplugging, I wasn't aware off that so haven't done it.

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Re: Evolving Navigation

Postby Ivan C » Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:34 am

NeilandPat wrote:I have had several quite expensive devices over the years and to be frank, I have been disappointed with all of them .

About 7 years ago I purchased the cheapest truck sat nav on eBay. I paid about £30.00 for it.

It has a 7 inch screen, you can program your vehicles dimensions in it, you can Bluetooth your phone to it and it came with life time free updates for street / door number level for Europe.

You can also add your own data to it either by connecting it to a PC or inserting your data on an SD card. You can add gpx , kml , poi and many other types of files.

You can navigate by address or any format of coordinates

You can drag any OS map onto it also

It runs on Windows so is easy to do drag stuff onto it.

The screen is big, clear and user friendly

It's been brilliant. In 5 years of use it has never failed . It has fallen off the dashboard many times but just keeps going.

Before setting off to South America I put on my favourite anorak and joined a Facebook user group ( I couldn't believe it either, but there are actually several )

I asked if anyone had all the street level maps for all of South and Central America . Someone did.

They sent them to me. I dragged them on and it's been brilliant.

All my data is on the SD card so I have even bought a second one as a spare, which after 7 years is still in the box.

If I needed to use it I would simply transfer the SD card over to get it up and running.

I now would not buy another Garmin or similar. This has out performed and out lasted all my previous expensive ones.

For £30.00 I am very happy

This link is an example of it

[url] https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre ... 1921394193
[/url]

Love it

We plan our journeys on maps.me

Neil

I know what you mean. In '05 I had a Garmin 6110 on the bike - great unit- but I think it's been all downhill from there for garmin.
On a "how bad can it be" basis I've ordered one of the ebay units, though a 9" screen :D
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