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Registration of an imported truck.

Postby Michael » Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:36 am

I'm in need of a little help if possible.

I've got through the NOVA import VAT phase and have just received the V55/5 form for Vehicle Registration.

My first question is what do people do about the Speedo not being in mph?
That refers to the need for Type Approval. Can I presume the German MOT (although expired) proves Type Approval?

Also, I am planning to have this registered straight away as a Motor Caravan as the German registration was (near enough that!).

Niel did you and Pat import and register in the same way ?

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Re: Registration of an imported truck.

Postby NeilandPat » Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:36 am

If the german registration show the vehicle type as Wonmobile of motor caravan and the vehicle ie the chassis was built before april2014 , then you are home and dry. No type approval is needed . You somply get an MOT as a motorcaravan. Foll out the DVLA forms and send them off.

However, if your german registration shows something else such as a chassis or thrir equivelent of a truck or lorry then you must not go straight to motor caravan here. You will lely fail and it will be expensive and painful.

I think the best route here is to go to hgv then convert to motorcaravan later by providing proof of change ie photo etc.

Good luck

What does your german papers actually classify it as.

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Re: Registration of an imported truck.

Postby Michael » Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:28 pm

Cheers Neil, that helps.

Ours is on the German docs as 'Servicefahrz Motorsportveranstaltungen'.

Seeing as you can choose all sorts of designations on the reg docs in Germany (our friends have theirs as 'Expeditions Fahrzeug'), I was hoping that Motorsport service vehicle would translate well into Motor Caravan, as that is essentially what it did in it's previous life.

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Re: Registration of an imported truck.

Postby NeilandPat » Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:25 pm

This is a motor sports service truck.

Loads of germans register their motorhomes as this as it gets taxed at a very reduced rate and can still be driven on autobahns on sundays where as a lorry cannot.

Its a bit of a loophole they exploit.

However, your problwm is type approval. If you are subjected to the later regs, you probably wont ever pass. This is what you want to avoid. Everything on your truck including dashboard switches and buttons will fail.

Type approval for motorcaravans only came in in 2014 so the cannot back date the regs to before that date.You will not pass these regs.

Type approval for lorries came on many years ago and the testing is age related.

This would be my chosen route. It will involve modificationsxthat relate to the standards of that day such as possibly side impact bars and underun bars etc.

You need to go to a VOSA station and discuss the standards they are looking for.

I dont know if we have a similar vehicle classification to motor sport service truck. I have seen vehicles advertised as race trucks but dont know if this is an official term . If it does exist you need to establish when type approval kicked in for that catagory an whether it can be applied retrospectively to your truck.

The problem you have is yhat the DVLA no longer has experts or problem solvers so VOSA is your only choice.

I would be reluctant to commit to the motorcaravan route until i knew it will definately succeed.

Brian Reynolds on here found himself for a year or so in a world of pain trying to do it.

Its not easy but good luck

Neil

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Re: Registration of an imported truck.

Postby Brian-reynolds » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:11 am

Hi Michael, I can't comment on all those big long German words mean, but I do know that going straight into a Motor Caravan with the DVLA will be a world of pain, and like Neil says, I would virtually guarantee it will fail!

See my blog post here for the sordid details and how I eventually got around it....
http://home2roam.uk/wp/registering/

Love your truck by the way!

B.

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Re: Registration of an imported truck.

Postby Brian-reynolds » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:13 am

Also meant to say, Steve is the genius on registration but he is currently in and around Guernsey so hopefully when he gets back he will be able to point you in the right direction! He is good like that!

B.

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Re: Registration of an imported truck.

Postby Michael » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:14 pm

Cheers Brian. It's all the reassurance I needed really, to know that I'm doing things like this the right way and to obviously avoid the world of pain!

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Re: Registration of an imported truck.

Postby mogtosteyr » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:37 pm

Hi All,

I'm about to face a similar challenge importing a 1986 Steyr 12M18 into the UK. The options I see are:

Option A) I get the vehicle TUV registered at an HGV in Germany, bring the vehicle to the UK for an MOT and to re-register it as a UK HGV. Then drive the vehicle (now on UK plates) back to Germany where it will be converted into a motorhome, and once this is done bring it back to the UK and change the registration type from UK HGV to a UK motorhome.

The advantage of doing this is that the vehicle gets registered in the UK before Brexit (in case we leave the EU with no transition period in March next year). The disadvantage is more cost and more hassle than only importing the vehicle once the motorhome conversion is complete.

Option B) Convert the vehicle to a motorhome in Germany, get the vehicle TUV registered in Germany as a motorhome, then bring the vehicle to the UK for an MOT and to re-register it as a UK motorhome.

However this second option means that I won't be registering the vehicle in the UK until around October 2019, and if we have left the EU with no transition period in March of next year then I'll be faced with the process of importing the vehicle from a non-EU country.

I'm currently leaning towards Option A, but does anybody have any experience of how much harder it would be to import a vehicle into the UK from a non-EU country (I assume the non-EU procedure will become the new procedure for importing vehicles from Europe after we've left the EU).

Any thoughts or ideas would be much appreciated!

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Re: Registration of an imported truck.

Postby NeilandPat » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:16 pm

Hi and welcome

I have been through this scenario.

Under normal conditions getting the vehicle converted in germany and registered in germany to a german as a motor caravan , then importing it as such works perfectly.

If the base vehicle is pre 2014 then it will not be subject to IVA or type approval etc. Its simply a paper exercise and takes about 10 days to get your uk V5.

However, we are not in normal circumstances. We are facing Brexit.

Nobody knows how this will affect imports such as this but i would suspect it wont make it easier.

In view of the fact that its not already converted I would get it here, get it uk registered as a lorry and the get it back to germany for conversion.

When it returns you can simply declare a change of use and classification. Submit the forms and pictures etc and do it in the post.

This way you would be subject to IVA and type approval but as an HGV the standards imposed can be back dated and age related so it should be ok.

You will however have to make some modifications for uk regs .

Brexit is an unknown so this what i would do.

Hope this helps and good luck

Neil

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Re: Registration of an imported truck.

Postby DaveS » Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:29 pm

I'm working on Brexit as part of my day job (don't ask!!).

I have no more knowledge on the outcome of negotiations than anyone else on here, but in practice importing a vehicle from Germany post Brexit should be no different than, say, importing a vehicle from any current non-EU country.

There may be some additional hoops, but personally it wouldn't be a game changer or a strong reason to choose A over B or vice versa.


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