Updated DVLA Campervan Conversion Requirements

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Updated DVLA Campervan Conversion Requirements

Postby lumikko » Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:21 pm

Updated DVLA Campervan Conversion Requirements - New 2019 Registration Changes

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Re: Updated DVLA Campervan Conversion Requirements

Postby DaveS » Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:08 pm

And down the rabbit hole we go.. high top only?

So every T4/5/6 VW converter in the UK is stuffed, the £60k Merc Marco Polo is now not recognised, I could go on.

Good news though - gives the overland box builders a tick list at least....

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Re: Updated DVLA Campervan Conversion Requirements

Postby Ivan C » Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:07 am

I'd, possibly cynicaly, suggest that's to stop T5 etc. slipping below height barriers.
3.5m should qualify as a high top :D
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As I read the list of vehicles which can be re-classified HGV is not among them, seemingly excluding trucks. :oops:

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Re: Updated DVLA Campervan Conversion Requirements

Postby crinklystarfish » Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:51 am

Some digging reveals that it seems DVLA entered this latest clampdown phase for two main reasons:

1. They've come under pressure from other public bodies. There have been over 20,000 applications in the last year or so to change body type to MC and the vast majority of these have been from people who have chosen #vanlife. The impact of this is starting to grate in some places. See this article for just one example. (Or drive to some of the most beautiful parts of the Peak District and count the number of 'alternative' vans littered about.)

2. They've become aware that about 18 months ago some chap had advised a number of truck-based camper owners of a loophole that meant (by making false declarations to DVLA) they could effectively subvert the whole vehicle test regime, and the need to obtain an LGV driving licence. Trouble was he didn't understand even a fraction of the implications and it left a lot of owners who had chosen to cheat the system (and more significantly people who unwittingly bought these vehicles from said cheating owners) wide open to prosecution.

So now we have the DVLA's response. Initial thoughts - subject to change following further digging:

1. DVLA say: "The body type does not affect the insurance category of the vehicle, or have any effect on speed limits or other legislative requirements. It is only used for establishing vehicle appearance and identification." Hmmm, this would seem to be abject bollocks. If they refuse to change your truck from a category of goods vehicle (class N) to a motorcaravan (a passenger vehicle of class M) then there is lots of legislation applicable to goods vehicles that will continue to bind you. Just two examples are the need for sideguards and the fact you'll need to comply with weight limits on roads that are subject to goods vehicle weight restrictions. They can't just say there won't be any effect on legislative requirements - they can't just make up law!

2. They also say:

"DVLA will only consider changing the body type to motor caravan if the body type shown on your V5C registration certificate (log book) is currently one of the following:

ambulance
box van
goods
insulated van
light goods
light van
livestock carrier
Luton van
minibus
MPV (multi-purpose vehicle)
panel van
specially fitted van
special mobile unit
van with side windows"


This list means they've removed the loophole that the above-mentioned ill-informed genius and a substantial number of truck owners exploited.

Ivan C wrote:... As I read the list of vehicles which can be re-classified HGV is not among them, seemingly excluding trucks. :oops:


I'd infer 'Goods' in the above list will include nearly every derivative of LGV / HGV - so this bit doesn't trouble me (at this point, anyway).

3. Furthermore, on their website at least, they currently retain the catch-all: "The body type of your vehicle will not be changed unless its exterior looks like a motor caravan in traffic."

I suspect they'll still fall back on this nebulous statement even if you meet all the newly-published requirements but your vehicle could still be confused 'in traffic' for something other than a mororcaravan.

It should be simple but the corporate incompetence of DVLA is simply staggering.

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Re: Updated DVLA Campervan Conversion Requirements

Postby Ivan C » Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:27 am

I'll be very happy to be corrected!
I noticed they specifically mentioned light goods, but thinking logically then that would exclude all the high-end motorhomes which are of course PHGV
Goods should, as Steve says, include HGV.
I'll have no issue complying with the rest of the requirements.

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Re: Updated DVLA Campervan Conversion Requirements

Postby crinklystarfish » Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:15 am

PHGV is just a tax class - ie a band that determines the amount or revenue due for a road fund licence. It has nothing to do with Body Type classification. PHGV is like a catch-all band (it's tax class 10) for vehicles over 3500kg that don't neatly fit in a more specific class.

Most (lawfully registered) large motorcaravans should show 'Motorcaravan' under Body Type but PHGV in Tax Class on the V5C.

It's the Body Type classification that's crucuial for sideguards, insurance, access to weight-limited roads, crossing borders, etc etc, Tax Class is more or less totally irrelevant. There's a bit in the book about it.

As above, I don't think the list is designed to prohibit larger goods vehicles from being converted but it does kill the loophole that was being exploited by a good few.

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Re: Updated DVLA Campervan Conversion Requirements

Postby Ivan C » Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:28 am

As above, I don't think the list is designed to prohibit larger goods vehicles from being converted but it does kill the loophole that was being exploited by a good few.[/quote]

I'm not familiar with the loophole, but based on earlier comments that can only be a good thing.
At least, despite the get-out clause, there is now a standard to show compliance with.
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Re: Updated DVLA Campervan Conversion Requirements

Postby crinklystarfish » Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:54 am

Agreed, it's a step forward and at least if applicants now show compliance with the 'external appearance' standards it will be more difficult for them to refuse; BUT... I suspect they'll still exploit their get out clause for anything that's a bit 'different'.

It'll be interesting to see how applications go over the next few months.

It'll be interesting, too, to see how public bodies (eventually) respond to the growing number of #vanlife bods.
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Re: Updated DVLA Campervan Conversion Requirements

Postby ralph » Thu Oct 24, 2019 8:31 am

I better order up some motorhome style decals ready for my refusal :D


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