Fresh start on weight

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Re: Fresh start on weight

Postby NeilandPat » Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:48 pm

With regard to getting a class 4 MOT . Although they weigh it for the break testing, they really arent interested in the Gross weight , only each axle weight .

Plenty of overlanders have no issues with the MOT

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Re: Fresh start on weight

Postby crinklystarfish » Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:28 am

It would be really tough to get a T244 in at under 7.5t with a standard NATO comms body fitted out as a motorcaravan. Trucks with this spec usually end up >8t.

I'd personally always advocate some training to drive larger vehicles anyway, so the route of passing an LGV test and uprating back to around the 10t mark might be the best all-round long-term solution. Uprating back up to 10t shouldn't be too tough - I just helped Brian do it with his and it was a pretty painless paper exercise and only cost a few quid.

If 7.5t is a line in the sand it would probably mean a lighter-weight hab box would be needed.

Even if the truck is uprated back to the 10t mark I'd still personally aim to run it well under this weight for reasons already well documented.

Hope it all goes well - whichever direction is taken...

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Re: Fresh start on weight

Postby Tom_DAF » Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:47 pm

For what it's worth, I built a steel frame on top of the standard load bed, clad in aluminium, on the outside and 12mm ply inside. At the MOT it weighed in 7100kg dry (water tanks empty). I think a more weight-conscious build could easily achieve 7500kg loaded as Steve has done. I don't think it's that much of a stretch if one is careful. I reckon mine is now around 7800kg packed.

That said, I think a class C would be worth having regardless of the paper-weight.

Re converting to motorcaravan, there is no guarantee it will be accepted as I found out the hard way. My website has a bit of a rant about it for those interested.

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Re: Fresh start on weight

Postby lumikko » Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:11 pm

Thanks again crinklystarfish and all very sound advice from someone who has worn the T shirt, just what I needed! I have given this a lot of thought and dearly would love to keep the comms box, because of the interior work I have done, the layout is finished, have just fitted a small window in the loo/shower area, ready to do the cut out for a rear door with a window as well as the standard door...have got all the insulation and ply to line it etc....I save all the relevant info from the forums and I seem to have come up with 978Kg for an empty comms box, I am awaiting for a reply from L Jacksons, they had a photo of a repainted 244 stripped to the chassis rails, you must have seen it,white cab and wheels the rest sprayed black..I have sent the pic to them and asked if they might have weighed it so...slim chance I know! it did have all the lifting rings/fittings off as well.
So, the plan is to get the comms body off and into the front garden, then I can MOT and Tax it,drive it to the local scrappy, weigh,remove and scrap the load bed,drive home and strip everything off that isn't needed. Then weigh again, add 1000kg to that figure and see if the total is viable with a simple custom tray taken into consideration.My goal with the vehicle is extended stays in the highlands, not leaping over sand dunes in Tunisia! If it turns out that it is still too heavy then I have found an ideal alternative hab box replacement and need to visit it to get a look at the data plate for the weight, this will not need a mounting tray to be made! But if all fails, it will be back to the comms box and custom tray mount, and class C test..I already have a Provisional class C license.
Yes, you are right, it Is a challenge!
Thanks again....

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Re: Fresh start on weight

Postby lumikko » Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:00 pm

Tom_DAF wrote:I built a steel frame on top of the standard load bed, clad in aluminium


It seems to me now, the weight of the load bed is critical knowledge to any 'newbies' travelling this road...I intend to get this info the easy or hard way Tom.
If the worst comes to the worst and I ditch this project due to circumstances we cannot predict, it will be more readily saleable sans load bed.(The real weight saver)
I bought my combo with an assured weight of 6850KG (Hi Chris!) but was delivered from Kent by a HGV Driver mate carrying 'Trade plates'
We both got what we wanted, I had a 110 + Sankey Trailer for 17 yrs and progressed as far as I could with it, I needed more room and the option to pull over wherever I chose to eat and sleep.
Your site is Brilliant, everyone should copy your DVLA critique and post it to them IMO...They are suffering from a severe case of 'too big to jail' syndrome.

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Re: Fresh start on weight

Postby Ivan C » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:20 am

I know it's not a DAF but I calculated the weight of my bed/ tarp frame etc. And came up with a minimum of 1000kg.
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Re: Fresh start on weight

Postby crinklystarfish » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:55 am

A standard T244 with the standard load bed in situ is somewhere between 5.3 and 5.8 tonnes depending on how much of the standard bed and chassis are left intact. Just removing the headboard and timbers loses a considerable chunk of weight. An absolutely bare-chassis T244 is probably somewhere round the 4.75t mark but could still be +/- quite a bit from this depending on how much of the original steelwork such as lift rings / pintles etc is left in place and whether you dare travel without a spare wheel and tyre.

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Re: Fresh start on weight

Postby lumikko » Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:54 am

That's Very encouraging info CSF! Thanks! I will have to hire a HIAB to lift off the box but that is all the limited room I have here...At least then it will be down to the weight on the V5c and I can drive it to be MOTd and taxed...Then get the load bed removed and come home to remove all the unnecessary bits and, unless L Jacksons come up with the info, get it weighed once and for all!
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Re: Fresh start on weight

Postby crinklystarfish » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:15 am

An old thread for info. I don't know if Rob is still building or whether he did eventually establish the actual weight of a bare chassis-cab and / or standard fully-intact bed:

http://www.theoverlander.org/ovl-forum/ ... 965#p19965

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Re: Fresh start on weight

Postby lumikko » Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:28 am

Much obliged CSF! In my absence, I have missed a lot of relevant info!

"Net truck - 5.755t ◄ This confirms that I can legally drive it the MOT. My V5C says 6100kg.

"I'm going to take the flat bed off, having seen a telehandler moving it, they are heavy, maybe 1.5t so a bare chassis cab could be 4.25t. Loads of scope for building below 7.5t IMHO. I will weigh the flat bed when it eventually comes off and add to this post."

"Looking forward to learning what the actual chassis-cab-with-spare-wheel starting point is. "
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