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Re: Getting Registered?

Postby jonbull » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:27 am

Nick,

Been through the process a few times. There are some pitfalls to be aware of these days.

3 routes available

If your body is built and finished as a “Motorhome” within the VOSA guidelines, then book a Class 4 MOT at a garage big enough to take it and get it done. They will issue the MOT to the Chassis number. Then insure it, again using the chassis number. If you have a local DVLA office, the easiest way I found was to take all this paper work, along with the MOD release certificate, cheque book, proof of identity etc to them and ask for the correct form (V55 from memory) Fill it in there and then, so if you get stuck you can ask for help. They will issue you a form to get the Reg plate made up, a Tax disc and issue you with a new MOT with the correct Reg on. Tell your insurance company the new Reg, get the plates fitted and away you go. Be careful of the difference between “Motorhome” and “Living Van”. If you fall foul of that, you will be going the HGV route anyway.

The second way is to get the vehicle plated as an HGV as it is and then registered/taxed as “private” heavy goods. This is more costly and comes with a few problems. You need to have the vehicle up to “Civilian” HGV standards. Sidebars, rear under run protection and a Tacho etc. You will not need a speed-limiter if you have a certificate from the Tacho people, stating the vehicle has been tested as presented and won’t exceed 56 MPH. The application for an appointment to test as an HGV is currently, in our area, two months! Once the vehicle has been issued with a Goods Vehicle Test Certificate, follow the route above. When the body is changed, convert to Motorhome if required.

Third way is to registered/taxed as a HGV. HGV tax for vehicle of this type is only marginally dearer than for Private HGV, and as I have an Operator’s Licence, I went this route with one of mine and can therefore use it as a working vehicle if I need to.

Going the HGV route and then “converting” to Motorhome is not as easy as it used to be. They now have a clause that states something along the lines “In a reasonable view, it must look like a Motorhome”. This is obviously open to interpretation and a friend of mine who converted a Scania fire truck chassis cab to a Motorhome has fallen foul of this. He has been classed as something like “a lorry with special body type” I will check up on this. It drops things like insurance, tachos, driving hours and speed limits into a grey area. DVLA taxed him as a Motorhome, and verbally told him he doesn’t need a tacho, speed-limiter etc, but I would be unhappy with this.

Don’t forget, regardless of category, if the MAM (GVW to us old-timers) is over 7,500 KG you need a “C” licence regardless of vehicle type

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Re: Getting Registered?

Postby jonbull » Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:50 am

nickyu wrote:Jon,

Great info. Thanks.

If I go with method 1, is there a weight limit? I've recently read about the differences between 'Living Van' and 'Motorhome'. This also seems up to a bit of interpretation.

It seems the easiest if you just build it fully and get it registered as a motorhome? I guess you have to keep it on a single site until its complete! (or tow/flatbed it around)

Nick


No weight limit for Motorhome. I have one at 6,900 Kg MAM (Not a L-D) and one at 10,800 Kg MAM. Just need a garage that can MOT that weight/Size and an HGV to drive over 7,500 Kg.

Thing with "living van" is not to have motorbike/car carrying frames or garages when you declare as Motorhome to avoid any possible discussions.... I would also be tempted to have huge (removable ) vinyl graphics all over the vehicle with something like "Sun Roamer" or "Traveller" emblazoned all over to help with the "reasonable appearance " clause. I concur that for most folks, your way will be the easiest.

J.

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Re: Getting Registered?

Postby Twende » Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:58 pm

Hi Nick,

Just a little to add to Jon's info. I've registered mine as an HGV Private goods Motor home (option 2). No side bars tacho or speed resticter required. When presenting the documents to the DVLA office I had to include photos of the interior and exterior The guide notes mention that there should be at least a fixed table and bed also a cooker with fuel supply, fitted windows and entry/exit door. As you know I have a converted Comms box as the camper, there was nothing to mention that it had to be welded/permanently fixed to the flatbed, however they do have the option to view the vehicle if they so desire.

John.

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Re: Getting Registered?

Postby jonbull » Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:46 pm

nickyu wrote: I guess I better leave the taillift off then :D But that's good to know, I'm sure others will find the information useful as well. Now to just get my HGV license to legally drive my > 7,501 kg 'Motorhome'

Of course, it seems there is debate even over which license you need for a motorhome!
Motorhome Facts: 7.5t License



That link is many years old. The latest guidelines from the DVLA are here.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/Dr ... G_10037875

nickyu wrote:...Would 'theoverlander.org' sticker count? 8-)


I do hope so... :D

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Re: Getting Registered?

Postby jonbull » Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:50 pm

Twende wrote:Hi Nick,

Just a little to add to Jon's info. I've registered mine as an HGV Private goods Motor home (option 2). No side bars tacho or speed resticter required. When presenting the documents to the DVLA office I had to include photos of the interior and exterior The guide notes mention that there should be at least a fixed table and bed also a cooker with fuel supply, fitted windows and entry/exit door. As you know I have a converted Comms box as the camper, there was nothing to mention that it had to be welded/permanently fixed to the flatbed, however they do have the option to view the vehicle if they so desire.

John.


Way number 4 :D

When my oppo MOT's the Comms bodied one as a motorhome, he tackwelded the nuts for the clamps that hold the body down.....i 8-)

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Re: Getting Registered?

Postby crinklystarfish » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:09 am

It is a bit of a minefield and different people within DVLA / VOSA will tell you different things - and furthermore apply their own interpretations to already grey areas: not helpful.

There are layers of exceptions to exceptions and it's no wonder its tricky.

I'm currently going through the change of body type process with DVLA and they've just asked for photos and receipts for the build process.

Will keep you posted.

I first registered as private HGV (with downrate to <7.5t so no need for tacho and extra markers etc) and found the whole process pretty straightforward. I wanted the truck on the road to be able to use it - I didn't want to have it stood about for the duration of the build; it was also handy for picking up some of the bigger bits!

I want to now change to 'motor caravan' to be able to secure 'proper' motorhome insurance, to be able to submit it for Class IV MoTs, and to be able to do away with the under run which is restrictive clearance-wise off road (under run and sideguards required for 'goods' vehicles only and it's generally accepted motor caravans fall outside of that unless used in course of or in connection with business).

Each way to get road legal has plus and minus points, it's just a case of working out which way is the 'best fit' depending on individual circumstances.

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Re: Getting Registered?

Postby jonbull » Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:13 am

I think I must now hold the record for registering an ex-military HGV. Doors opened at 0900. Receipt issued along with tax disc and auothority for number plates 09:07........Thank you Worcester DVLA. And the numpties that run the asylum are closing down local offices.....great :x

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Re: Getting Registered?

Postby crinklystarfish » Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:57 am

As promised, some feedback from my request to DVLA (Swansea) to change body type to 'motorcaravan'.

Bottom line is that they have obliged with no fuss.

I took a steer from http://www.ukmotorhomes.net/motorhome-faqs.shtml and then sent them:

A letter describing the vehicle, the changes I'd made, and the reasons I wanted to change body type classification
Copies of receipts for the conversion stuff I've bought (there are lots)
Some photos of the exterior (one with reg plate on show) and interior
My existing registration document

They had the stuff for about 3 weeks altogether.

Job sorted - we no longer own a goods vehicle.

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Re: Getting Registered?

Postby jonbull » Sun Jul 29, 2012 1:06 pm

Nick...your sketch shows a 12.5 metre Diameter...the law is 12.5 metre Radius...ie 25 metre Diameter. J.

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