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Pop quiz

Postby DaveS » Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:50 pm

So... pop quiz question of the day - how do you overland when borders are closed?

Covid-19 may be a one off or may be the shape of things to come. I don't think anyone knows how this will play out.

The world may be about to become much less free than it has been for most of our lives. Certainly I've not experienced anything like this in my 52 years.

Thoughts?

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Re: Pop quiz

Postby Mark Hadley » Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:02 am

There have always been some closed borders. I grew up with Russia, China and Eastern Europe practically closed.

With my style of overlanding, one large country is fine for a few years.

This event could give rise to travel bans within countries. I suspect mist countries will close borders much faster when the next disease outbreak occurs.

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Re: Pop quiz

Postby NeilandPat » Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:09 am

We are parked on a camp site just outside Medellin Colombia.

We are well and truly in the shit.

All borders are closed, even county borders are closed.Camp sites are being closed by the police and us overlanders will soon be effectively in hiding.

Food will run out eventually.

This is no fun

Neil

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Re: Pop quiz

Postby PeteB » Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:33 am

As somebody who's occupation is long term risk management, here are my thoughts:
1. This is a new problem for governments and they feel they have to react hard
2. Whilst serious, it will not be world changing, in the way that a world war or the black death was (for the record: in the mid 1300's that killed 20m in Europe, 1/3 of the population)
3. The outbreak will in time be contained and a vaccine will be developed - this is a flu variant and it is a well tried research process
4. Life will normalise, it just may take 8-10 weeks to get there

For those who are interested this is a good article:
https://geopoliticalfutures.com/george- ... on-corona/

For Neil & Pat, whilst this will settle down it must be very stressful for you right now. I am afraid I don't have any magic short term solution and my thoughts are with you.

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Re: Pop quiz

Postby DaveS » Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:34 am

Keep safe Neil and Pat - I hope things calm down there soon. Must be horrible right now.

PeteB - I think I agree with you (though not sure on the time scale you suggest) - though I do wonder if this will become a template for the next "big thing"? I hope not, I genuinely hope lessons are learned from this and we're all better prepared to deal with the next thing in a better/more effective/more measured way. Good link by the way - thanks for sharing.

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Re: Pop quiz

Postby crinklystarfish » Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:03 am

Self evidently, the freedoms that we hitherto took for granted have been curtailed.

They will eventually be restored.

Between now and then there's some sh*t to be had.

For the overwhelming majority of humans, attempting to second-guess the quantity and duration of the upcoming sh*t is pefectly natural but ultimately very probably counter-productive. We're along for the ride: it's just how it is.

After accepting that, some sense of control returns. Thereafter, isolation, washing hands and securing the next tin of beans - both metaphorical AND actual - is pretty much all we can do.

This is a weird pop quiz.

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Re: Pop quiz

Postby DaveS » Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:11 pm

I agree with your pragmatic position at present, Steve, but I don't think this is a weird question at all (which is why I asked it) - I'm thinking about what could be a significant shift in the way the world responds to these kind of events, which could have significant ramifications for anyone committing to long term overland travel going forwards.. at least in the short/medium term planning.

Personally I was aiming to start making bigger/longer trips from this summer and clearly have had to press pause on that idea. It's also made me consider whether to commit to a new vehicle now or defer this to later.

I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking like this?

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Re: Pop quiz

Postby PeteB » Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:01 pm

I think Steve was commenting on the title, not the topic.
Probably expected to be asked 'who had the most number 1's?' rather than 'will Covid-19 stop us touring the world'. :lol:

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Re: Pop quiz

Postby crinklystarfish » Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:55 pm

Indeed it's a perfectly valid question Dave, but as Pete sussed; I was hoping to showcase my awesome Bananarama knowledge.

I had a bash at the question anyway and nothing's changed my view in the last few hours. Borders will re-open soon enough but for now it's about mitigating risks and moving forward one tin of beans at a time...

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Re: Pop quiz

Postby Grommet1 » Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:03 am

Best wishes Neil and Pat. Hope you stay safe while this passes on. How serious are the food supplies there? Hope you can ride it out and keep in touch.
Cheers John


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